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Posted on 08/31/2006 13:38
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John Mark Karr has been cleared of murder charges relating to JonBenet Ramsey. Obviously he has mental problems, but is this an acceptable excuse? Should be get off scot-free? What should with do with people like this, whack-jobs who waste time and money of law-abiding citizens, just to get their ugly perverted mugs on CNN? What do we do with people who will confess to anything to get their 15 minutes of fame? How can we stop this sort of situation from happening again? |
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| Jimmy D |
Posted on 08/31/2006 16:46
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This kind of “instant (in)fame” is just another aspect of our over exposed news/ entertainment industry, and its need for speed. When the evening news could only be found on three network stations, the reporters actually had to do a little research on a story before it was submitted to a news editor who actually decided if the story had enough weight in facts to justify it being slotted in a finite 1hr news broadcast. Now with 24hrs to fill, seven days a week, editors are a lot less inclined to challenge the veracity of a reporter’s story, a reporter who in many cases the editor has never met and indeed a reporter who does not even actually work for the network. Now the story just has to be fast, and with speed comes mistakes. These mistakes are compounded by the “me too” attitude of all the networks, who will compete between themselves for time share by stretching a story out, with “experts” and even gossip. That in a very short time the actual story gets lost in the circus.
The actual story was and is, the horrible death of a photogenic child, by person or persons, unknown. When Mr. Karr realized that his welcome in Thailand had worn out and he was indeed very near to disappearing into a foreign penal system, he simply said, “I did it”, and promptly got an all expense paid trip back to the US, but all he really did was take advantage of desperate people, the DA in Boulder, and the editors of desperate 24hr news networks, who desperately wanted a flashy story that wasn’t too deep for their viewers.
Will it happen again, you bet cha, after watching CNN bungle a live broadcast of a presidential speech, by leaving a mike on for over a minute while a “news babe” relieved herself, what can you expect? I am breathlessly awaiting the sister-in-law’s response, perhaps she could make it from her gynecologist’s office during a speech by Ms Clinton.
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| Suzila |
Posted on 09/02/2006 11:25
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I think we should call his bluff and send him back to Thailand. (First though, we have to spend some more of the taxpayers' money and give him a trial in California....what a waste of money)
Send him back and allow Thailand to do with him what they want. |
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| Luckybustert |
Posted on 09/02/2006 13:24
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I read an article which mentioned how he was having champagne on the flight from Thailand to the US. Well, I can imagine he WAS celebrating his escape from certain death there! But at the U.S. taxpayers' expense? I think he should have rode in those uncomfortable seats in coach, where they squeeze you in like cattle, and should have had to drink the same horrible coffee they served on my last flight. And now that his ruse is confirmed, I think they should send him back to Thailand in the cargo hold with a rabid Pit Bull to keep him company. (Not that I honestly believe our government will send him back...) |
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| stockpilesrus |
Posted on 09/04/2006 10:22
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How sickening this man is! I agree 100%, let's send him back & never let him in our states again. |
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| littlequeenie29 |
Posted on 09/04/2006 19:02
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I did hear the same thing about him being in 1st class drinking champagne and eating very pricey food. I wish I could afford to fly somewhere and in 1st class even. He is a nut job and should be made to pay for all of his crimes, including the false confession. I'm not sure about anyone else but I had no doubt the DNA would not match. It just makes me sick that people get a kick out of confessing to things and then actually enjoy the notoriety that comes with it. I could think of alot better ways to have my 15 minutes of fame. Sicko. |
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| e_dierlam |
Posted on 09/04/2006 21:12
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I know know that according to FL Statutes, the penalty for perjury is 5 years in jail. That's nothing more than a slap on the hand. Why bring it to the news before it has even been confirmed. If things were simpler, slower, less technologically impaired, maybe we would have a better world. Unfortunately, eveyone wawnts speed, he did it, she says, be there now, type of attitude. I admit, I am the same way. Hoenstly, I didn't believe from the start that anyone would come out after ten years on a closed case and say they did it. Why not jsut get off scot-free? Abusing one system to abuse another system - how sad. unfortuantely, we have those kinds of sicko's all around us. |
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| Hvnly777 |
Posted on 09/04/2006 22:22
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formerGman wrote:
John Mark Karr has been cleared of murder charges relating to JonBenet Ramsey. Obviously he has mental problems, but is this an acceptable excuse? Should be get off scot-free? What should with do with people like this, whack-jobs who waste time and money of law-abiding citizens, just to get their ugly perverted mugs on CNN? What do we do with people who will confess to anything to get their 15 minutes of fame? How can we stop this sort of situation from happening again?
"Gman," I believe it's painfully obvious that Mr. Karr is not playing with a full deck of cards; heck, he's probably not even playing with half a deck;  however, this country functions under a judicial system that supposedly represents equalty, fairness and the presumption of innocence.
Hence, we as a civilized society must not permit an anomaly like John Mark Karr to justify ignorance of the truth. The fact remains that mentall illness plays an intricate role to both those that commit crime and those oddly compelled to make false confessions. It is also why the law takes mental illness into serious consideration when charging someone with a crime, determing the moral severity of the crime, seeking indictment for a crime. and most importantly, whether or not that person will stand trial or be offered a plea negotiation for a crime alleged.
I cannot say if Mr. Karr was knowingly looking for "15 minutes of fame' or if he is a factually delusional man. Therefore, until we know more about the FACTS concerning this man, his life, and the circumstances surrounding his "wannabe" confession, I believe it's best that "we" refrain from making any further snap judgments.  |
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| Hvnly777 |
Posted on 09/04/2006 22:31
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e_dierlam wrote:
I know know that according to FL Statutes, the penalty for perjury is 5 years in jail. That's nothing more than a slap on the hand. Why bring it to the news before it has even been confirmed. If things were simpler, slower, less technologically impaired, maybe we would have a better world. Unfortunately, eveyone wawnts speed, he did it, she says, be there now, type of attitude. I admit, I am the same way. Hoenstly, I didn't believe from the start that anyone would come out after ten years on a closed case and say they did it. Why not jsut get off scot-free? Abusing one system to abuse another system - how sad. unfortuantely, we have those kinds of sicko's all around us.
According to T.V. pundits, Karr did not committ perjury. His alleged confession(s) were initially made to a college professor via emails and then subsequently to the media. Mr. Karr was never formally questioned or interrogated by police having U.S. jurisdiction; therefore, he did he make these alleged confessions to them.
A person can only be legally charged with "lying to police" or "hindering an investigation/prosecution" if they were read their Miranda Rights first but chose to speak without a lawyer irregardless. It would also have to be a false statement to police that is documented by either a video, audio or written statement by the accused.  |
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| keithmcm |
Posted on 09/04/2006 23:53
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As for get off scot free, he faces kiddy porn charges. They'll make every effort to put him away for a very long time. |
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| e_dierlam |
Posted on 09/05/2006 11:46
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Hvnly777 wrote:
According to T.V. pundits, Karr did not committ perjury. His alleged confession(s) were initially made to a college professor via emails and then subsequently to the media. Mr. Karr was never formally questioned or interrogated by police having U.S. jurisdiction; therefore, he did he make these alleged confessions to them.
A person can only be legally charged with "lying to police" or "hindering an investigation/prosecution" if they were read their Miranda Rights first but chose to speak without a lawyer irregardless. It would also have to be a false statement to police that is documented by either a video, audio or written statement by the accused.
And what if he really was lying about the whole thing? He's not even connected - just a few e-mails. Woo-hoo. You can write about anything on-line. |
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| Hvnly777 |
Posted on 09/05/2006 16:53
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e_dierlam wrote:
Hvnly777 wrote:
According to T.V. pundits, Karr did not committ perjury. His alleged confession(s) were initially made to a college professor via emails and then subsequently to the media. Mr. Karr was never formally questioned or interrogated by police having U.S. jurisdiction; therefore, he did he make these alleged confessions to them.
A person can only be legally charged with "lying to police" or "hindering an investigation/prosecution" if they were read their Miranda Rights first but chose to speak without a lawyer irregardless. It would also have to be a false statement to police that is documented by either a video, audio or written statement by the accused.
And what if he really was lying about the whole thing? He's not even connected - just a few e-mails. Woo-hoo. You can write about anything on-line.
We know Karr was lying since the DNA did not match his; however, "perjury" is a legal term that goes well beyond mere lying. It is specifically lying to members of law enforcement and/or officers of the Court regarding the committment of a crime(s).
Even if Karr sent ten thousand emails claiming responsibility for Jon-Benet's death, that in and of itself is not a crime. Does it make him a liar? Yes, of course. Does it make him a possible pathological liar? Again, it's quite possible. Nevertheless, even though lying is not good, and I personally find liars disgusting, it is only "perjury" when stated as a "sworn oath"...i.e. Grand Jury testimony, statements made to law enforcement or any officer of the Court, such as a prosecutor or judge.
I suppose the new laws regulating Internet conduct may be applicable, but I doubt making a case for perjury via "Internet Correspondence" would be an easy task to accomplish. Again, keep in mind that perjury may only be alleged if Karr (or anyone else) honestly believed that they were corresponding with a member of law enforcement or someone of equal status. Otherwise, it's still just good'ole fashion lying. |
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| e_dierlam |
Posted on 09/05/2006 18:25
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And yet, they are still going to put him up on a stand? If he still continues to stick with his story - once again - on the stand, he is under oath - that qualifies for perjury.
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| The_Writer |
Posted on 12/11/2006 23:43
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Yes, there are a lot of crazy people out there. And also people who just want attention, and I think this dude is one of them. He may be disturbed, but he knew what he was doing when he confessed, he got what he wanted after all. Attention, and fame. I know it is not fair, but this is the way the pathetic world works. |
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| dogmom4512 |
Posted on 02/01/2007 16:53
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As a victime of 2 pedophiles as a child and teen.I have been dealing with the aftereffects my whole life.I am 45.I have overcome a lot,but I will have scars forever.These sickos will never "get better"They should be taken out of society for ever!
"In the midst of winter,I finally found within me an invincible summer." Albert Camus |
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| Ardy22 |
Posted on 03/18/2007 07:34
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Guy has mental problems and not sure if is psycho therapist can ever reach him.
Mental institution for remaining life. |
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| smurfie |
Posted on 03/22/2007 20:11
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Can you imagine the outcry if Karr had been left in Thailand without going to the expense of bringing him back to th states? |
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| e_dierlam |
Posted on 04/02/2007 17:52
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you have a point, smurfie. Either way, it's lose-lose.
Elizabeth Dierlam
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| smurfie |
Posted on 04/02/2007 23:29
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I'm thinking it would be better to have him under some form of medical inpatient care/treatment versus letting him play out his fantasy in criminal court. |
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| deesbree |
Posted on 01/05/2008 15:20
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You never know who these weirdos are until they do something to bring attention to thereselves.
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